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January 9, 2013
2:53 pm
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One could argue that the use of the container for daily locker service for campers along Venice Beach requires a coastal development permit since the use is changing from static storage of Rec. and Parks Dept. equipment to the daily storage of the possessions of up to a hundred people.  This will create lots of foot, cart and bicycle traffic to and from this facility on a daily basis.  The Coastal Commission has required coastal development permits for less substantial activities.  Would the City and CCC determine that this change of use would have an adverse impact on coastal resources or access.  Probably not.  Should some form of community hearing been held before this was authorized?  Yes.  Is this further enablement of campers on Venice Beach.  Yes.  Does this continue the process of ceding control of the Venice Beach Recreation Area to transients who effectively camp out on Venice Beach despite the 12 to 5 AM curfew?  Yes.  And are the residents and business owners facing this area uniformly opposed to exacerbating the burden they already bear with on-going harassment, noise, aggressive panhandling and public inebriation, urination and defecation.  Absolutely.  Finally, has Bill Rosendahl failed his own promise to the community to allow public comment and to promote transparency before taking actions that affect residents?  Yes, again.

January 9, 2013
2:58 pm
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If Clare already has permits and funding - what else is there to discuss?  Doesn't seem like this bell can be un-rung...?

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January 9, 2013
3:08 pm
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Clare has Bill Rosendahl and Linda lucks in his hip pocket or should I say storage units.

January 9, 2013
3:15 pm
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If I understand this correctly, the VNC President is a paid consultant/employee of the Venice Community Housing Corporation.  

Public funds are being allocated to benefit lockers proposed by the Venice Community Housing Corporation so that homeless can store their hoardings and then go to a Venice Community Housing shelter - all of this then to the financial benefit of the Venice Community Housing Corporation and its paid consultant/employees.  Do I have understand that correctly?

When the homeless are storing contraband, drugs, weapons, pets, toddlers - whatever illegal item - in these lockers, will the Venice Community Housing Corporation indemnify residents who might be injured by these things?  How about when someone comes to claim an item and then believes it's been stolen or misplaced - it's VERY VERY VERY foreseeable that dangerous, violent and illegal activity will result from inevitable contraband being stored in these lockers.   

 

Additionally, is it lawful for public funds to be allocated and discriminate against a homeowner?  My Christmas lights are a pain in the A$$ to store in my laundry area.  I might prefer to store them in a locker at the beach.  Is that available to me, the lowly home owning taxpayer in Venice?

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January 9, 2013
3:37 pm
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swankgirlvenice said
 

Additionally, is it lawful for public funds to be allocated and discriminate against a homeowner?  My Christmas lights are a pain in the A$$ to store in my laundry area.  I might prefer to store them in a locker at the beach.  Is that available to me, the lowly home owning taxpayer in Venice?

We could all show up with boxes of stuff we want to store...

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January 9, 2013
3:44 pm
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concernedneighbor said

We could all show up with boxes of stuff we want to store...

You can already SEE that sort of dispute happening. I'm guessing allocated space will be dependent upon getting on the bus to the winter shelter. Which means they will only have this program in place for a few more weeks. LL should just wait till she can get some stakeholder input, have a lively debate, show the money stream, set the start and end date, get CCC approval and have it all sewn up and approved for next winter. I suspect she doesn't care what anybody but her inner circle want, though.

Irony, it's what's for breakfast.

January 9, 2013
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Bret said

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Bret:

Thank you for your question. Although we have not yet set the agenda for our 1/22/2012 meeting, it is very likely that much of what you ask about will be considered at that meeting. The Brown Act (the State of California's open meeting law) required that items that are  to be decided by one of the state's governmental deliberative bodies MUST be discussed at a public meeting. The VNC is considered one of those governmental deliberative bodies - so we can't discuss this subject by email or on an internet posting or blogging site as those do not constitute a public meeting.

I do want yo let you know that our Administrative Committee (which meets on Monday, January 14, 1013 at 7pm in the Extra Space Storage Meeting Room, 658 Venice Blvd.) will discuss and decide whether any (or all) of the motions and/or announcements submitted on this topic will be placed on Board's Agenda for its Jan 22nd meeting. Please feel free to attend the meeting on Monday (keeping in mind that we do not discuss the merits of a proposed agenda item at the Administrative Committee meeting) - or you might wish wait until our Jan 22nd Board meeting.

In the meantime, because of the Brown Act restrictions, it would be both inappropriate and against the law for VNC Board members to respond to your request.  This is unfortunate; dealing with the requirements of the Open Meeting law can be frustrating. I will be happy to either speak to you (or designate another Board Member to speak to you) after the Board has had its public discussions on the subject.

Thanks again for your interest - and I look forward to working constructively with Yo Venice during the next VNC Board term.

Linda Lucks

President, VNC

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Thanks for the response Linda!

I've updated the ongoing thread on Yo! Venice! with this.

(I understand that the Board can not respond to this, but I will relate to them what I am hearing from community members)

Personally, I have no issue with the container being used ... those residents that are concerned are quite upset that this was apparently to be discussed at the December 18th VNC meeting, but it was removed from the agenda during the meeting after people showed up to discuss it?

It was not until after the December 18th meeting that the paperwork was signed by Steve Clare? Now (according to your response) the issue that was supposed to be discussed before the papers were signed might possibly be discussed after the fact if the Administrative Committee decides to do so.

You have concerned members of the community who believe that they were deliberately left out of the democratic process by the VNC, and that taking the discussion off the 18th meeting was a deliberate action to allow for the papers to get signed without debate. Was it slated for the 18th? Was it removed during the meeting on the 18th? Were the papers signed after this meeting? I'd think the VNC Board should get to the bottom of this and why this happened and who caused this to happen.

It isn't like the papers can now get "unsigned" even if the community is 100% not in favor of this, right? If the person that removed it from discussion on the 18th was aware of the December 14th paperwork between Steve Clare and the City about this, that seems like it was a deliberate action to remove the community from having a say in this issue, no?

Another issue is that since the VNC was aware of this paperwork moving forward, why would the VNC not procedurally ask that the paperwork not be granted / signed before it was put before the community? That is the whole reason why the VNC exists, is it not? To serve the residents and present them with items such as this?

I look forward to hearing how this gets resolved and working with the new VNC members on all of the issues that concern Venice.

All the best,

Bret

January 9, 2013
4:25 pm
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From Pina...

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Hello and thanks again for taking the time.

Correct, the program will not be an individual locker program.  

The goal of this pilot program is for those folks interested in taking advantage of the Winter Shelter program but have not because they have quite a few personal belongings.  This option will be provided only to those folks that are interested in participating in the Winter Shelter program.  

As you may or may not know, one of the rules for the Winter Shelter program is that folks can only take what they can carry.  As a result of this rule there is some thought that folks may not be utilizing the shelter because they cannot take all of their belongings.  We are hoping that more folks will transition off the streets as a result of this pilot program being offered.

At the Winter Shelter, guests will then have the opportunity to link with Case Workers who will then work to transition folks into housing.  Again, this will only be a pilot program which will conclude March 1st.

Thanks again for seeking clarification and taking the time. 

'...and you sir are no Sonny Zorro!' -AnotherWorldView
January 9, 2013
5:55 pm
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uuuuuuuuh....

so the communication from the advocates that said that they were "winning" over the "haters" was because it was already on the way to being done anyhow and the reason why the goofy Greek chorus and toilet seat tie man was not at the meeting in question....  shades of Galanter.. Suck it up Venice. I'm sure that these folks have a vivid vision of the social service mecca and silicon beach living in harmony on our streets of flowing creative juice.....  or flowing something... try not to step in it.

January 9, 2013
6:35 pm
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cch said
I have thoughts on the flier and bum lockers.

If i am not mistaken, there are storage units closer to the beach than this. They contain bicycle rental business and related enterprises.

Bet they did not get coastal approval.

If we could get rid of those beach rental lockers, with the bum lockers, it would help local brick and mortar shops.

Have any of you considered this?

Think about it.

Am I right?

 

 

Nope: those are leased facilities to approved vendors under the auspices and requirements of the coastal act - they abet recreation for anyone who shows up to the beach ("the public") to improve access to beach recreation activities on public lands. This is one of the primary pillars of the coastal commission and R&P. Storage lockers to aid the confiscation of public park lands for unpermitted residential use defies the core mission statement of the coastal commission.

January 10, 2013
12:30 pm
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I have read the permit from the link posted by Bret.

It states: "Use of the container for purposes not expressly permitted herein, whether or not approved in writing by the RAP, may result in revocation of the permit."

Nowhere else in the permit does it describe what the use will be, not casually, not implicitly, and certainly not "expressly".

It just says they can use it.

So one can infer that legally they can use it for nothing at all, or for anything they want! unless the RAP exercises their "may" option to revoke the permit.

You have to be very well connected with somebody to get a permit this deliberately ambiguous, or am I giving them too much credit?

Seriously, with such a glaring omission, this permit should be void. It must "expressly" state what use is being granted. It does not do that.

"Storage" containers are actually "shipping" containers, and are used for hundreds of other uses, so one cannot make the argument that storage is the obvious use.

January 10, 2013
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swankgirlvenice said
If I understand this correctly, the VNC President is a paid consultant/employee of the Venice Community Housing Corporation.  

Public funds are being allocated to benefit lockers proposed by the Venice Community Housing Corporation so that homeless can store their hoardings and then go to a Venice Community Housing shelter - all of this then to the financial benefit of the Venice Community Housing Corporation and its paid consultant/employees.  Do I have understand that correctly?

Additionally, is it lawful for public funds to be allocated and discriminate against a homeowner?  My Christmas lights are a pain in the A$$ to store in my laundry area.  I might prefer to store them in a locker at the beach.  Is that available to me, the lowly home owning taxpayer in Venice?

I'm not sure about the politics of how this went down, it may have been shady, but as I've stated before I do support this program. 

However SWG, VCHC does not have anything to do with the winter shelter, the one at the Armory is run by First to Serve.  If you want to put your stuff there and then get on the bus and spend a night in the shelter I think you should!

Right before my first big skid-row study I spent the night at emergency shelters at LA Mission, Union Rescue Mission, Midnight Mission, and Volunteers of America, and it was a very eye opening experience...

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