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Westside Winter Shelter Program Opens This Weekend
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November 26, 2012
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From Councilman Rosendahl:

The Westside Winter Shelter program opens this weekend and for the first time will offer supportive services for those who want to live their life off the streets of Los Angeles.

Bill Rosendahl

The shelter, which opens December 1st, will utilize a pick up and drop off location at the Los Angeles Police Department Substation in Venice Beach (1530 W. Ocean Front Walk). The bus will pick up between 4:30-6:00 p.m. and will return the following morning at 7:30.

The shelter is located at the West LA Armory and will have 160 beds.

First to Serve will manage the shelter program for the City and will offer something new:  two on-site case managers who will assist the clients transition to permanent supportive housing, help with job placement, and offer medical services and healthcare resources.

“I’ve pushed for supportive services for the homeless for years,” said Councilmember Bill Rosendahl. “I’m thrilled that shelter clients will finally get the quality services that they need, while at the same time I remain optimistic that  those who want the help will take advantage of this opportunity.”

Last year, you may recall the Winter Shelter opened six weeks early to help deal with a sudden and dramatic increase in homelessness in Council District 11.  An extra shelter, as well as an additional pick up/drop off location, were added to provide relief.

As it turns, those extra services are not needed this year thanks to a joint City-County effort that provided supportive services at places like Westchester Park.

Remember — those interested in taking part in the program must go to the Venice Beach pick up location. The Armory does not take walk ups.

The shelter program ends March 1st.

November 26, 2012
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Many years ago I worked at the Winter Shelter when it was at the armory in Culver City. I don't recall anyone interested in getting off the street. 

 

They wanted to get a shower and food for the night. Unless it was really really cold at night most of the folks wouldn't come night after night, only when they wanted a shower and maybe hot food.

 

Maybe the "empty suit" thinks this will get a slew of the folks off the streets, but I think it's his mouth running on and he knows it's good politics to spew confidence that this is 'finally' the solution.

 

He knows, as does anyone who's worked at a similar shelter, that this is NOT going to get anyone off the streets.

 

Look at the record of these types of social services, even AA, their record of success is dismal.

 

Shanty

 

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November 26, 2012
6:55 pm
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The Armory does not take walk ups? WHY?

November 26, 2012
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@shantyirish, I have seen aa work in many of my friends. I have seen their lives be restored and even improved to conditions far better than what they ever had. This is true for thousands if not millions of people around the world. The program does require the individuals to be truly willing to go through the entire process. That is the catch. I think the "catch" is true many of the other social service programs as well. The only solution I can see is to stop enabling the homelessness in our community and across the country. The enabling takes place in boardwalk feeding programs and lax police enforcement on laws such as drinking in public. The boardwalk feeding programs are just a way for the volunteers to show off how "great" they are while in turn forcing the homeless to "show off" how poor their lives have become, in my opinion.

From a skateboarders perspective, I wish they would actually do the pick up at the police substation as opposed to the old skatepark. The "shelterees" leave behind a very large amount of litter. This litter is then picked up by the skateboarders and Vsa in order to use the space safely and effectively not to mention subjecting my younger kind to seeing many questionable activities going on while the shelterees wait.

November 26, 2012
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“I’ve pushed for supportive services for the homeless for years,” said Councilmember Bill Rosendahl. “I’m thrilled that shelter clients will finally get the quality services that they need, while at the same time I remain optimistic that  those who want the help will take advantage of this opportunity.”

I'm really happy that First to Serve stepped up again and that they are opening on 12/1, as there was a chance they wouldn't open until 12/15.  The fact that we will have "two on-site case managers who will assist the clients transition to permanent supportive housing, help with job placement, and offer medical services and healthcare resources" is a great addition this year, and seems like a no brainer.

Thanks Bill!!!!

GLADITSKRAVITZ said
The Armory does not take walk ups? WHY?

I agree, that part has always been an issue.  If you miss the us you miss the bed.  Also no youth, no pets...

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November 26, 2012
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No walk ups because shopping carts have booze and weapons in them.

 

Many times I observed "walk ups" go berserk when they were refused entrance to the armory. Pretty scary because in those days we had no security detail.

 

AA is no more statistically successful than any other existing organized program. Actually  AA has a success rate around 13 to 17% according to their statistics.

 

Not to say it doesn't contribute vital assistance, on the contrary it is not a panacea, but at least it is an organization that has remained somewhat free of scandal.

 

The 'Winter Shelter', in my opinion, allows folks to feel good that their government is responding to the problem, when in effect it's just enabling them. I think it's pathetic that after all these years the 'empty suit' heralds this as some sort of a great accomplishment on his part.

 

Frankly, I heard the same out of Ruth Galanter's mouth.

 

Shanty 

November 27, 2012
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Was speaking with someone about the rehab program offered by the Midnight Mission.  They refer to it as lockdown.  Apparently, they don't screw around.  When you go into their rehab program, you are confined for the mission for (apparently) a couple of years!

I think that's the real way to solve dependency problems.

During that time, they are obviously in a highly controlled environment.  It limits their access to temptation.  They also get, in addition to dried out, counseling, educational assistance, job training and are taught skills in terms of managing their money.  Moneys they make through the Mission work programs are held for them in a trust, allowing them to accumulate a small nest egg to establish themselves with when they are ready to leave the program.

I'm told that you have to really want to get sober and off the streets to go into their program.  No coddling there.

They do offer assistance for immediate crisis, including a safe camping area.  What I speak of is strictly their rehab program.  Not exactly like those rehab commercials you see for those resorts in Malibu.

I think the Mission has it right.  If you are talking about wanting help. you really have to make the commitment to their program.  No screwing around.  Bill and the Social Service Gang here in Venice seem to feel the better solution is to coddle them, sign kumbaya with them, give them tokes for free pot, teach them skills in how to circumvent LAPD and then turn them back loose at 7:30 AM to reek havoc on us poor sods that call Venice home.

November 27, 2012
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Bird Man I am with you 100% on the Midnight Mission, we have worked closely with them for many years and their new facility on 6th is absolutely amazing.

But the supportive services that they offer and their rehab program is a whole different animal than the emergency shelter program.  Though the Midnight also has some emergency beds, (as well as the "safe sleep courtyard  you mentioned) and they do offer over 1000 meals a day... the County Winter Shelter program is designed exactly as it sounds, to get people off the street for the night when it gets cold out.  

The fact that there will be social workers at the armory this year is a great start, but we still need much more.

Count me in as supporting a Midnight Mission westside location though!

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November 28, 2012
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I agree Rick, that the Emergency Shelter is just that.  And I also wish that the Midnight Mission had a Venice branch.  I think that they have the right balance between the desire to provide EFFECTIVE programs to assist the homeless, balanced against a sensitivity of the needs of the community.  And again - they do it 100% without government funding.  Because they are privately funded, they tend to be more accountable than the Social Service Mafia here in Venice.

Maybe you can persuade Larry to consider expanding into Venice.  After all, he has ties here.  He's from Venice originally (Palms I think) and went to Venice High.  He was also a member of the Pacific Division when he served with the LAPD if I recall correctly.

If not, perhaps we can find someone else to open a facility on the West Side designed around the Midnight Mission model.

November 28, 2012
10:44 am
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So let me get this straight. Every day homeless are being bussed from a homeless shelter to Ocean Front Walk which is severely blighted with homeless problems. What a great idea.

November 28, 2012
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I still think it's an approach to make us feel better, like something is finally being done to help these folks.

 

I for one ain't buying into this baloney anymore. Lock them up, a la Midnight Mission style, or downtown LA jail.

 

Shanty

November 28, 2012
1:05 pm
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What a bright idea to open a Midnight Mission model in Venice. This is Genius at work. Just look at what it did for the area around the midnight mission district. When you get a chance, take a ride downtown and take a stroll down the streets. Make sure you do it after sundown, so you can get the full flavor of what it will be like in Venice. Oh, I forgot the most important point of all, make sure you have an AK-47 with you.

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