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Venice Zipline Appeal Hearing: July 27th
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July 17, 2012
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Update: New hearing date is Friday, August 10, at 9:30 a.m.

An appeal has been filed in regard to the City Engineer's approval of the coastal development permit 12-03 for the Venice Zipline.

Venice Zipline Appeal Hearing: July 27th

The hearing of the appeal will be held before the Board of Public Works on Friday, July 27th at 9:30 am at City Hall in room 350.

If you have any questions please contact Catalina Hernandez (Environmental Specialist II – Public Works Engineering) at (213) 485-5756 or Catalina.Hernandez@lacity.org

July 19, 2012
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To send comments or opinions about the Zipline to the Board of Public Works Members:

Reference title on your page:

Board Report No. 07-2012-0119

Consideration of an Appeal Of City Engineer's Approval of Coastal Development Permit (CDP) 12-03 for the Venice Beach Zipline Project

Hearing:  July 27, 2012

Electronic to all three:

david.chanquin@lacity.org

arleen.taylor@lacity.org

catalina.hernandez@lacity.org

OR 

FAX  213 978 0278  and cc Catalina Hernandez

OR 

Department of Public Works

Board of Public Works

200 N. Spring Street, Suite 361

Los  Angeles, CA 90012      and CC Catalina Hernandez

July 19, 2012
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I just sent this to all three people listed above, as well as to Bill Rosendahl, in case it's helpful to anyone:

I am both a Venice resident and business owner. I am very much opposed to the idea of installing the Zipline anywhere along the Venice Boardwalk and beach area, for the following reasons:

  • We already have so much traffic to Venice and to the Venice Boardwalk, and the police and local government are already overwhelmed by providing services to the area. There is violence and filth and vandalism as it is. To add another carnival feature to an already overtaxed pleasure area, given the problems managing the existing millions of people who go to Venice beach, is, to me, an exercise in objective foolishness.
  • It is not clear who will be benefiting. The residents of Venice are already beleaguered with parking and crowding issues, not to mention the issues of transient homelessness that plague the Venice Boardwalk (but not Santa Monica or any other local coastal community). The actual residents of Venice do not seem to be considered when it comes to managing the recreations that abut our home neighborhoods. We are overwhelmed by the Venice Boardwalk activity as it is. Do residents' voices have any standing? So far it has seemed not.
  • I personally think it will be an eyesore, as do many of my neighbors. We are so fortunate to have the waterfront that we have, and so much effort has been put into preserving it. Windward Ave. is the gateway to Venice Beach. To block that gateway with a big behemoth of machinery also seems an exercise in folly.
  • I am concerned that the Zipline will open the door for other such constructions that will further erode the natural beauty of the coastline as well as bring additional troublesome traffic to the Boardwalk.

Again, I ask the question—who benefits from this? It's not residents, and it's not necessarily visitors whose view will be blocked and whose visits will be even more crowded and potentially dangerous.

Please reject this proposal. We beg of you.

July 19, 2012
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Thank you for posting the email addresses. Sent an email to each and have received acknowledgment. Beyond blocking a pristine (even here, lol) view of the wide beautiful sandy beach and the Pacific Ocean, which is a large concern, Venice Beach simply doesn't have the parking, police presence or bathrooms to accommodate a carnival ride. I live two blocks from the beach and dash home to to use the bathroom because of the long lines at the rare public restrooms, the unhealthy conditions inside (some sad druggies use them for sexual encounters and drug use). So hard to believe that anyone would be for this under the congested circumstances that exist.

 

Benefit? There is a money trail, allegedly to maintain the same rare bathrooms I mentioned. Shameful, really. Maybe reckless to think of straining the limited police presence, love most of them, but the presence is really strained especially on weekends. Every day people are robbed on the Boardwalk or on a feeder street, random violence and attacks … Such a conflicted wonderful area the Boardwalk is and that Bill Rosendahl thinks this is grand is beyond my comprehension. 

July 19, 2012
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I've only heard back from Catalina Hernandez, who provided this overly complex and frustrating set of instructions, that may or may not lead to our comments being put in the public record:

Please contact the Board of Public Works directly to verify the procedure for submittal of comments for the hearing. You can call Teri Schmidt,  Assistant Executive Officer, at ( 213) 978-0256. I will provide their fax number, but it would be best to call their office first. Please cc me on any other comments you submit. The following is the reference information you will need:

Board Report No. 07-2012-0119
Consideration of an Appeal of City Engineer's Approval of Coastal Development Permit (CDP) 12-03 for the Venice Beach Zip Line Project
Date of hearing: July 27, 2012

FAX (213) 978-0278

Does anybody know, without my having to call a city office and be on hold forever, how to submit comments for the hearing?

July 19, 2012
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Maisie, if you simply email your comments to the three cited above, you will receive an acknowledgement indicating that your comments will be included in the packets to review.

July 20, 2012
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Thanks, CallaLilly101, but I didn't receive acknowledgment from any of them.

I faxed to the number that Catalina Hernandez gave me, and also cc'd her, but received no response on that front, either.

It seems to me there should be a simple email address for any such action to have one's comments included. But of course it's likely that it's either so overcomplicated or so disorganized that it will make it tough for people to get their comments in, let alone know if their comments made it to the desired destination.

July 20, 2012
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Hi Maisie,

 

I emailed and received a very fast response. Here's the information if you want to email … perhaps a faxed response generates a snail mail response.

 

To send comments or opinions about the Zipline to the Board of Public Works Members:

Reference title on your page:

Board Report No. 07-2012-0119

Consideration of an Appeal Of City Engineer's Approval of Coastal Development Permit (CDP) 12-03 for the Venice Beach Zipline Project

Hearing:  July 27, 2012

Electronic to all three:

david.chanquin@lacity.org

arleen.taylor@lacity.org

catalina.hernandez@lacity.org

July 22, 2012
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LA Times has an article on the zipline today:

 

Venice beachgoers eager to speed over the boardwalk on a proposed zip line will have to wait.

Originally slated to open July 1, the zip line has been delayed, thanks in part to an appeal filed earlier this month by Venice resident Gail Rogers, said Kevin Regan, assistant manager of the Los Angeles Department of Parks and Recreation.

Greenheart Conservation Co. had planned to install a 720-foot zip-line ride along the boardwalk in time to capitalize on the busy summer foot traffic, hoping to draw up to 400 riders a day at $20 per thrill. A zip line is an elevated cable ride that zips harnessed riders along at high speeds, powered only by gravity.

City officials approved the ride for a three-month trial, with a percentage of gross revenue to fund maintenance of the boardwalk.

The project gained approval from the Venice Neighborhood Council in May and needed one last approval from the California Coastal Commission, but the commission cannot review the project until Rogers' appeal is cleared. A hearing is scheduled for July 27 at which the Board of Public Works will decide the project's fate.

Now the potential launch date will be in August or September, depending on the appeal and when the Coastal Commission takes up the issue.

Greenheart co-founder Ian Green said he wasn't pleased with the prospect of a possible fall opening.

"That's why the goal was to open in summer, where you're guaranteed to be successful," Green said. "I don't know if we should open up in the fall and hang out in the fog."

Rogers said she opposed the project because she was concerned about noise, access to the beach and ocean views. The idea of a zip line over the iconic boardwalk was "antithetical" to her vision of the community, Rogers said.

"It's just cheesy to me," Rogers said. "It doesn't belong here. Maybe in Vegas or Costa Rica."

The zip line isn't the first revenue-generating proposal to stall in the face of local opposition. The Venice Neighborhood Council shot down a proposed 200-foot observation wheel earlier this year, and an earlier plan to install billboard-style advertisements along the boardwalk met the same fate.

But with the Parks and Recreation Department facing millions in cuts, the city would be wise to capitalize on the boardwalk's revenue potential, Green said. The neighborhood attracts about 16 million people a year and is one of the region's largest tourism draws.

"With all the stuff that needs to be done on the boardwalk, you've got to start being creative," Green said.

On that point at least, Green and Rogers agree.

"I understand that there needs to be privatization," Rogers said. "But I know there are more creative ways to do it."

July 22, 2012
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a BIG thank you to Gail Rogers for all your efforts

i did not support the installation of the proposed zip line, the placement is an exercise of poor judgement

A Clean and Safe Venice
July 23, 2012
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"That's why the goal was to open in summer, where you're guaranteed to be successful," Green said. "I don't know if we should open up in the fall and hang out in the fog."

 

Has nobody explained the concept of June Gloom to Mr. Green?  His lack of understanding of the local weather patterns potentially stems from the same source as his obliviousness as to why locals may not have quickly embraced this idea – he's not from here.  While I'm sure this concept would be quickly embraced in Vegas or Orlando, it strikes me as antithetical to Venice.  While I cannot even begin to describe any cohesive set of beliefs that are embraced universally within Venice, I could fairly confidently say when I first heard about this idea that this was going to be about as well received as an undocumented, gay muslim at a tea party rally.  It'll be interesting to see what the coastal commission does with this one.

July 25, 2012
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New date for Zipline Appeal Hearing via Councilman Rosendahl:


The City of Los Angeles Board of Public Works announced a new date to hear appeals for the proposed Venice Beach zip line.
Andrea Alarcon, the Board’s president, announced via email that the new date will be Friday, August 10, at 9:30 a.m.

Plans proposed by Greenheart Conservation Co. call for the installation of a 720-foot zip-line ride along the world-famous Venice Beach boardwalk. The zip line will carry riders from a launch pad across the boardwalk from the Sidewalk Cafe and down to a landing pad that will be stationed to the north of the basketball courts at 19th Avenue.

Ride operators say the feature could attract  400 riders a day at $20 each.

Councilmember Bill Rosendahl supports the project on a three-month temporary basis to help generate revenue for maintenance of the boardwalk.

Earlier this summer, the Venice Neighborhood Council voted to support the project. The City’s Bureau of Engineering also recommended issuing a permit.

If the Board of Public Works denies the appeal, and allows the project to move forward, the matter will then go to the California Coastal Commission for final approval.

The Board of Public Works meets at City Hall, 200 N Spring Street, room 350.