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(32 votes) 1:44 pm
October 15, 2009
OfflineShane said
Am I missing something?
Yeah Shane, kind'a…
What they're promoting is their udder lack of good taste. In other words, they're attention seeking jack-asses which is not illegal here in the U.S.. However, they do a pretty good job of relegating themselves to the outer fringes of kookdom which is testimony to the basic intelligence of the majority of Americans.
Funny how crap like that ain't tolerated where they come from in Europe. God bless the America.
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They were on the boardwalk too, Vivianne of NameonRice.com just added this video …
3:21 pm
January 20, 2012
OfflineBird Man of Venice said
Sadly, they are right. The swastika is a religious symbol in Eastern religion that goes back centuries. Hitler (if I recall correctly, particularly Hess) was into symbols and mythology. They used a number of Norse symbols, such as the SS "lightning bolt" and other runes, as well as the swastika, but tended to pervert most of them. In the case of the swastika, they did this by reversing the direction of the hooks on the arms.Haven't studied the specific symbolism of the swastika, but if it is a symbol of eternity it would make sense why Hitler would have chosen it. He felt his Reich was going to change the world forever.
Undoubtedly, the Nazis were brutal in the commission of atrocities, and have stained this symbol with the blood of millions. Having said that, if a genocidal regime were to commit similar atrocities under a flag that contained the Star of David, I'm doubtful we would ban that symbol (or the cross either.)
It will take considerable public education to reverse the harm done by the Nazis. I understand their position though, and wish them luck. It would be nice to see one of the most negative symbols in the history of man restored to its proper meaning.
The lesson in all of this – as I've said many times – the problem with symbols is that they're so damn symbolic! :)
No matter how much you justify it, your never going to be able to wash the blood off that symbol. Hitler made sure of it. No matter how you slice it or who has used it in the past, present and future the swastika symbol is forever stained in human blood.
3:43 pm
October 7, 2010
OfflineUnfortunately, most religious symbols seem to end up stained with blood at one time or another. The cross of Christianity, for example. There were these things called the Crusades, not to mention the Inquisition. Plenty of blood on that symbol that can never be washed away.
I'm just not convinced that you should reasonably deny a legitimate religion the use of one of their symbols because it was widely used in an inappropriate fashion (I'm understating it) by a hate group (even if that's an entire country.)
The distinction, in my mind, is that Hitler took a legitimate religious symbol and used it, as opposed to a religion deciding after the fact to use a symbol and giving it a new meaning. That's a very important distinction here.
I still think it is important to educate people that this symbol did (and does) have a positive meaning for many peoples in the world. If you asked the average American walking down the street, how many of them would realize the history of the swastika beyond the stigma? I'm willing to bet you would be lucky if it were one in ten.
We must absolutely condemn the 's and what they stood for. Of course, to be consistent, how many people use their symbols in war movies (even casting them as the bad guys) to make money for themselves? How many companies deal in memorabilia for a profit? How many model kits of Tiger Tanks and Stukas are sold in hobby shops?
I think that, many times, our condemnation is not applied consistently.
4:29 pm
January 20, 2012
OfflineBird Man of Venice said
Unfortunately, most religious symbols seem to end up stained with blood at one time or another. The cross of Christianity, for example. There were these things called the Crusades, not to mention the Inquisition. Plenty of blood on that symbol that can never be washed away.I'm just not convinced that you should reasonably deny a legitimate religion the use of one of their symbols because it was widely used in an inappropriate fashion (I'm understating it) by a hate group (even if that's an entire country.)
The distinction, in my mind, is that Hitler took a legitimate religious symbol and used it, as opposed to a religion deciding after the fact to use a symbol and giving it a new meaning. That's a very important distinction here.
I still think it is important to educate people that this symbol did (and does) have a positive meaning for many peoples in the world. If you asked the average American walking down the street, how many of them would realize the history of the swastika beyond the stigma? I'm willing to bet you would be lucky if it were one in ten.
We must absolutely condemn the 's and what they stood for. Of course, to be consistent, how many people use their symbols in war movies (even casting them as the bad guys) to make money for themselves? How many companies deal in memorabilia for a profit? How many model kits of Tiger Tanks and Stukas are sold in hobby shops?
I think that, many times, our condemnation is not applied consistently.
Their must be some mentally ill foundation I can donate money on your behalf.
we can all take a break from our knee-jerk "i hate nazis and swastikas" position, i think we all share that sentiment.
so if you take the emotionality out of it bird man's arguments are logical and plausible. accused of playing devil's advocate, or playing the edge, silly even, but mentally ill is an unworthy insult. i don't agree with bird man on this, in fact his suggestions make me uneasy, but then so do KKK on parade. But that is precisely the ignition-point where one learns something and improves one's own ideas and opinions for future rebuttals. and it is the bad part of the good that we have in terms of american rights
wouldn't you agree?
(though for what's worth, my opinion is also that the swastika, at least the german variation is beyond rehabilitation in this millennia)
10:18 am
December 29, 2011
OfflineI've hesitated to post on this topic. But decided to after reading more comments.
While I don't completely agree with Bird Man either, I think it's important to consider something… I'm of Jewish decent. My grandmother and grandfather on my father's side were both Jewish and my grandmother came to the US during WWII from Hungary. I also just recently went on a trip to Seoul South Korea. As we were walking around one of the many Buddhist temples that can be found in Seoul, I noticed a large swastika (rotated differently than what we associate with the swastika) on the side of a building. I also noticed more on more buildings as I looked more closely. While we were walking, there was a payer session in full swing. I was in a serene area, surrounded by peace, prayer and safety. I was also surrounded by quite a few swastikas.
At the time, I had no idea why they were there or what they meant or how something I associate with such horrifying atrocities could be so prevalent in a setting like a Buddhist temple. Now I know that it is a symbol of peace, to this day for other religions.
Maybe those of us in the western world will never be able to look beyond the perversion of the symbol because of the nazis and Hitler. But there are those that currently live a peaceful existence and worship next to or in front of this symbol.
I certainly don't approve or a group flying it above a public beach for the sake of attention.
But maybe there's a lesson from eastern religion that can give us pause on what this symbol really means and has meant long before the nazis and Hitler came around an ruined it.
10:45 am
March 23, 2010
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Interesting longtime debate over 1920's lamp posts in Glendale Ca.
10:50 am
October 25, 2010
OfflineInteresting proposition.
The swastika has been used both decoratively and symbolically since before history. It respresented many different things over time to people around the world. Continuing to use it for reasons unrelated to Hitler's party in the 1920's, 1930's and 1940's, and to neo NAZIs will over time restore the design as being one that has been used for many purposes. But for most people in the world at this time the symbol is associated both with Hitler's Germany and with white supremacist hate groups, so displaying can be an afront to many people.
In time, the swastika will go back to being just another symbol but it's thoughtless and unreasonable to expect to display it today without causing considerable unpleasantness for most people. The Raelians are being foolish in how they are trying to change public opinion by pushing it into people's perceptions.
Long_time_resident said
Interesting proposition.
In time, the swastika will go back to being just another symbol but it's thoughtless and unreasonable to expect to display it today without causing considerable unpleasantness for most people. The Raelians are being foolish in how they are trying to change public opinion by pushing it into people's perceptions.
they seem to have foolish down pat in their short (founded 1974) and fantastical (aliens are waiting to for the coast to be clear before landing). for me the latecomers, raelian and scientology, have even less credence than the established religions because they have no excuse for the BS they purport. their ideas were formed in modern, advanced times, not amongst the goat and brush of nomadic times… not that i give established religions credence, i just can sort of get where their ideas mutated from

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