Yo! Venice! Venice Beach, California

Forum

A A A

Please consider registering
guest

Log In Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search:

— Forum Scope —



— Match —



— Forum Options —




Wildcard usage:
*  matches any number of characters    %  matches exactly one character

Minimum search word length is 4 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

Topic RSS
Parking Around New Restaurants on Rose Ave.
Topic Rating: 4Topic Rating: 4Topic Rating: 4Topic Rating: 4Topic Rating: 4 Topic Rating: 4 (27 votes) 
July 31, 2012
11:14 am
5thandSunset
Member
Forum Posts: 167
Member Since:
September 7, 2010
Offline
37
5

mr_sanjuan_ave said
Yep, poor planning and over-excitement for that street to start generating income. Much harder to get home after work from just last year. When I get to Rose, I have to sit there for 5-10 minutes just to merge in with backed up traffic heading down Rose to those places. It just doesn't work anymore. So, who has solutions? Were the restaurants grandfathered in or not required to have the pre-requisite # of parking spots per # of patrons the space holds? Its not as if these restaurants only quaintly attracts locals who are biking over there, its a cluster of single passenger drivers and its as jammed and clustered as the nasty 405, they are all heading to 4 places on 1 block to meet their other 20-something friends. They all need to park and talk about themselves, so where can we put everyone?

Why is the parking under Gratitude not free -- it was supposed to be according the info released when the project was approved. How did that change?

I think there is validated parking under Gratitude, so that it is free for customers of the businesses there but not for beach goers, but I'm not positive.

I drive Rose from 5th to Lincoln every day, to and from work. I'm not sure where you're merging on to Rose that you need to wait 5-10 minutes. I know there were some complaints when they changed the light at Rose and Walgrove, that it was causing longer lines heading West on Rose, but I don;t go by there so I'm not sure. It only takes me 5 minutes to get from Lincoln to home in the evening. The cluster of single passenger drivers is more about people driving home from work (just like you) than it is people going to Oscar's or VBW.

As an aside, does everyone remember what Rose was like before Oscar opened VBW and Flake opened up the block? I'll gladly deal with some extra traffic if the exchange is living in a much nicer neighborhood. Businesses like that played a huge role in turning that area around.

"You better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone"
July 31, 2012
1:30 pm
road_biker
Member
Forum Posts: 202
Member Since:
May 15, 2010
Offline
38
5

bythec said
Seems like the most logical place for a parking lot is on Lincoln where Whole Foods is.  There should be a multi-structure lot there and people could walk to the restaurants.

 

If there is no restricted parking, drivers will always park for free close to the restaurants. And circle the block a few times looking for spaces.

 

No parking structures without permit parking for residents!

July 31, 2012
4:23 pm
swankgirlvenice
Member
Forum Posts: 211
Member Since:
October 24, 2008
Offline
39
4

I've lived north of Rose for almost 13 years now and I'm with 5thandsunset – considering what Rose Ave has been in the past, I'll take the slight inconvenience of jammed parking.  

Rose Ave was a bunghole of bumper-to-bumper RVs full of criminals only a few years ago.  While I don't really know what the best solution for parking is, I am delighted that Rose Avenue is finally 'coming up' and I hope businesses continue to build on Rose.

I was tormented by a neighbor who 'turned me in' to the city for not having enough parking on my plot with a single family dwelling when a neighbor two plots over has 4 bungalows housing about 8 people with on-street parking only. It seems a little snarky to me that residents enjoy garages converted into studios and then demand parking solutions.  

I do support some kind of permit parking but nothing that would choke out the burgeoning businesses on Rose.  In my opinion, the benefit of the new restaurants creating a vibrant walking life on Rose and chasing out RV dwellers far outweighs the inconvenience of having to park a little farther away from my house.

    85♥02
July 31, 2012
5:13 pm
Venice WatchDawg
NoRo
Member
Forum Posts: 1001
Member Since:
February 17, 2010
Offline
40
0

Repost From page 2:

One of my neighbors came up with an interesting idea. Build a four floor parking structure (three levels and rooftop parking)on Third between Rose and Sunset between Public Storage and what was Digital Domain. Enter on Rose and exit on Sunset – Iinternal access to side properties on ground level – Could have meters and maybe a level of "monthlies" for residents and people who work near. Would ease things on Rose and even augment beach parking on weekends… Also would provide another revenue flow to help pay for the damn thing…..  Even without any construction, Third could be made one way going south and have angled metered parking on both sides of the street between 9AM and 6PM – It just takes a little creativity for short term solutions.  There are long red zones at corners that could be shortened a bit to add a few dozen places…..

July 31, 2012
5:23 pm
concernedneighbor
Member
Forum Posts: 347
Member Since:
April 13, 2012
Offline
41
5

Venice WatchDawg said
Repost From page 2:

One of my neighbors came up with an interesting idea. Build a four floor parking structure (three levels and rooftop parking)on Third between Rose and Sunset between Public Storage and what was Digital Domain. Enter on Rose and exit on Sunset – Iinternal access to side properties on ground level – Could have meters and maybe a level of "monthlies" for residents and people who work near. Would ease things on Rose and even augment beach parking on weekends… Also would provide another revenue flow to help pay for the damn thing…..  Even without any construction, Third could be made one way going south and have angled metered parking on both sides of the street between 9AM and 6PM – It just takes a little creativity for short term solutions.  There are long red zones at corners that could be shortened a bit to add a few dozen places…..

Do it at public storage.  Git rid of an ugly building and waste of space.  Go deep underground and put a park or green space on top.  Gain some revenues for Venice and some security folks.  They could even put a small shelter there with some services to help people get off the street (and before you ask – I live right across the street so not being a NIMBY).

'...and you sir are no Sonny Zorro!' -AnotherWorldView
July 31, 2012
6:31 pm
Venetian
Yo! Puppy!
Member
Forum Posts: 1754
Member Since:
June 17, 2009
Offline
42
3.7

swankgirlvenice said
It seems a little snarky to me that residents enjoy garages converted into studios and then demand parking solutions.  

Agreed. I might be the only person in my neighborhood who actually uses their garage for it's intended purpose. Yet, as none of my neighbor's do & my street has become an increasingly popular "secret" spot for beach goers to park, I cannot have anyone over who doesn't ride a bike/motorcycle. Which cuts out a load of my friends as well as anyone I hire to work on my home. And I am sick of people parking directly in front of my driveway! It is very clearly a functioning & used driveway. There is no "whoopsy I couldn't tell" here. Also my neighborhood is very clearly not a toilet nor a public trash bin yet… It's very much as if people leave their manners at home when they come to visit Venice. Apparently many see Venice, these days, as the place where anyone can do anything they like to anyone else or their property without consequence. Venice is where ANYTHING goes. 

"I am now aiming precisely at your groin. So speak now or forever hold your piece." – James Bond
July 31, 2012
9:36 pm
Venice Rob
Member
Forum Posts: 750
Member Since:
January 20, 2012
Offline
43
0

You have to consider a lot of the driveways and garages in Venice were built in the 1900's and could only accommodate very narrow cars. My driveway and garage is useless, my cars don't fit, so I have to park in my driveway and the street. 

July 31, 2012
10:17 pm
venicerez
Member
Forum Posts: 699
Member Since:
July 8, 2010
Offline
44
0

Venice Rob said
You have to consider a lot of the driveways and garages in Venice were built in the 1900's and could only accommodate very narrow cars. My driveway and garage is useless, my cars don't fit, so I have to park in my driveway and the street. 

And some never had garages or driveways!

August 1, 2012
11:17 am
Bar K
Member
Forum Posts: 15
Member Since:
June 2, 2010
Offline
45
0

As usual the problem is too many people. The Frank building just didn't fit the scale of my neighborhood and we fought to stop the project for all the reasons we are suffering from now. at this point some signage saying that there is validated parking available would be nice so people would see it as they jockey for spaces on my street.

August 1, 2012
4:59 pm
Venice WatchDawg
NoRo
Member
Forum Posts: 1001
Member Since:
February 17, 2010
Offline
46
0

Dear Concerned,

Public Storage is a bountiful cash cow for the PS Corporation exactly BECAUSE the situation we have here with garages used as storage or room conversions….  People in dense urban areas need a place to keep all of the stuff they have collected and have no where to keep it at home – When I moved here from San Francisco to my 1 bedroom apartment, I rented a locker in the newly constructed PS and finally got rid of it (mostly by giving it away or in the trash) a year later because I got tired of paying them $100 a month to store my sh!t that I might use sometime in the future.  Many people, and businesses use this facility well beyond the homeless who use it as a daytime residence. It ain't going away – As for undergrounding parking, it is very expensive because the water table is so high in most of this coastal area – it used to be a swamp – That is why Third streets would work so well, the city already owns it and overground construction is much more reasonable – Also, combining it with affordable housing would be a nightmare between administrating it and working out the Building and Safety regulations for a structure that had two completely different purposes.  For history's sake – When the PS was approved during the Galanter era –  it was written in the conditions that PS would provide a specified number of "transitional housing" units on site to be administrated by ST Jos Center that never were maade because it was too complicated to comply in a simple storage building….  Galanter came back with that they would have to let SJC "clients"  use the ground level garages facinf Third so "store their things" and people moved in and the party began untile PS pulled the plug after streams of urine and worse were flowing from the garages, across the lot and down to Third…  Galanter came back a few years later for her pound of flesh and had PS deed its back parking area (that was required in their original conditions) to Steve Clare for his construction next door as he was trying to sneak in much less parking, claiming that "poor people don't own cars" and the neighbors were not buying that.  So PS never built housing, gave up their back lot (that was supposed to be used for monthly RV and vehicle storage) and Clare got more free land to appease those pesky neighbors….

August 2, 2012
1:11 am
DimmickDiva
Venice
Member
Forum Posts: 6
Member Since:
July 27, 2012
Offline
47
0

Some simple solutions:

- Very visible signage directing people to park in the garage provided by the businesses

- Next step is for the city to paint out parking lines on the street so people park more responsible.

- Some streets are actually quite wide, maybe diagonal/head in parking spots on one side to fit more cars on each street (this is done in hollywood area)

- avoiding permit parking would be fabulous but if we need to fight for at least partial permit parking to respect the residents then this could be an option too

 

Now how to get the city to pay attention to the residents that they are supposed to serve and take action…. ???

 

Petition time… bombard them with emails and telephone calls…

 

:)