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9:44 am
March 17, 2010


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I have noticed a HUGE increase in police presence.  So much so I am making complete stops at stop signs now!  Last night I heard a couple homeless in the alley hiding from cops, they even said "they're everywhere"  I really hope this is from the people speaking up and I really hope this continues…

9:48 am
March 17, 2010


Supergimp

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I have noticed it too.

Seen quite a few outbound hitchhikers too.

Correlation?

10:37 am
March 17, 2010


Venice SteelerFan

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They have definitely out driving around at night near the Oakwood Rec Center in greater numbers.

Keep up the good work guys

4:11 pm
March 17, 2010


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I live right by the oakwood center and I have never had a problem with anyone. I know unfortunate things take place and I am not trying to play down the shooting on Brooks a few months back, but people tend to keep to themselves as far as I can tell.

However, every time I'm on OFW or by Winward I see people getting heckled and all sorts of crazy sh*t. Just my opinion, but I'd much rather the police focus on the transient population rather than the few who seem to be hanging at the park. The daily grind on the beach, I believe, is a much bigger stain on this community than the occasional gang/drug dealing issue at the park. 

5:07 pm
March 17, 2010


dexter

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yeah i saw a bunch of cops arresting fruit vendors and confiscating their little carts….

right on boys.. way to clean up the scum…

at least cheap delicious fruit wont be ruining our neighborhood for a while…

6:14 pm
March 17, 2010


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They also have their hands full with all the celebrity riff-raff in Venice:

'Buffy' Star Nicholas Brendan Arrested, Tased By Police

http://tinyurl.com/yhzcxp2

"CSI" Actor Gary Dourdan, Crime Victim? Battered by His Girlfriend, Say Police

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50…..04083.html

10:24 am
March 18, 2010


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I just saw the police this morning at the end of my street, Rialto, talking to a few transients that were dumping trash out of their car. So whatever is happening seems to be working. Which is great. Thank you.

2:26 pm
March 18, 2010


allgood

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Last week saw four of those transient punks getting arrested on North Venice and Pacific.  They were still talking shit to tourists / pedestrians / car driving by even while handcuffed and against the police car….

10:58 pm
March 22, 2010


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nickmitch said:

Last week saw four of those transient punks getting arrested on North Venice and Pacific.  They were still talking shit to tourists / pedestrians / car driving by even while handcuffed and against the police car….


Congratulations to the Venice Neighborhood Council for unanimously voting for the LAPD to initiate a Homeless Task Force.

Carolyn Rios is to be particularly credited for bringing this to the Council's attention.  What you are seeing now is the LAPD response to this effort.

Bravo Carolyn the entire VNC board. 

7:52 am
March 23, 2010


Shane

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Tell it to that poor pregnant woman who got stabbed to death.

10:00 am
March 23, 2010


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VENICE LINDA WROTE in this Forum: 

"Congratulations to the Venice Neighborhood Council for unanimously voting for the LAPD to initiate a Homeless Task Force.

Carolyn Rios is to be particularly credited for bringing this to the Council's attention.  What you are seeing now is the LAPD response to this effort.

Bravo Carolyn the entire VNC board."

And I received this in a   E Mail this morning from Linda Lucks:

"Congratulations to the VNC Board for  recommending the creation of an LAPD Homeless Task Force last July. The team is now in place and at work!  Thanks to Carolyn Rios for initiating the idea and to the board for agreeing 100%."

Venice Linda/Linda Lucks, Please do not take sole credit for something that you were only a part of.  For the record,  Captain Peters,Commander Andy Smith, SLO Theresa Skinner, SLO Peggy Thusing and each and every TAX PAYING RESIDENT of Venice who called in, wrote in, and became "active"in our campaign for safety should be congratulated for their efforts. THIS WAS A GROUP EFFORT and with hundreds of TAX PAYING RESIDENTS requesting the same thing our voices were heard and the Pacific Division Police dept responded. 

If you and the current VNC officials need acknowledgement and congratulations for something, you should congratulate yourselves for attracting more homeless people to Venice and allowing criminal Transients to hide amongst them!

PS: I think its odd that you congratulate yourself, really… Just my opinion.

PSS: Thank you Bret & YoVenice.com for creating a place where the truth can be told!

10:22 am
March 23, 2010


elleray

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Really Linda, Congratulate yourself when we see results. When I can walk two blocks and not get accosted, harrassed, or step in human pee or vomit, I might even congratulate you myself.

10:34 am
March 23, 2010


blackicewarning

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Ahh…

Here comes the electioneering.

Linda and Carolyn are the establishment.

10:37 am
March 23, 2010


Brooks Ave…

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seriously….it's almost like starting a fire and then putting it out and taking credit as the hero…maybe you shouldn't of let it get this bad in the first place!

However, the good news is no more Linda….just a nice reminder from the VNC website:

"The terms of all twenty-one board members are expiring, so all positions are up for grabs! Thirty-eight individuals have accepted this opportunity to get involved in Venice as Neighborhood Council officers. That’s more candidates than anyone can remember in the history of the VNC!"

Linda, usually, when you're doing the great job that you pat yourself on the back for people don't show up in groves to take over your job wanting to do it the right way….

11:25 am
March 23, 2010


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I have noticed the increase in patrols in the area as well — including on Ocean Front Walk.  It was nice, and made me feel much safer, when I was out for an early morning run and saw a patrol car keeping an eye on the boardwalk scene — which can be a little sketchy.  THANK YOU LAPD for listening to us — your efforts are not going unnoticed!!!!!

Now, rather than simply attacking "VeniceLinda,"  I would like to know from her (a) if the Transient Task force now actually exists (I was under the impression it was still in preliminary discussions), and (b) if the VNC really is taking credit for it's creation, and if so I'd like a detailed account of how exactly it came about, as it seems to me the public outcry, rather than the VNC, would have been the major factor in its creation. 

If this really is the brainchild of the VNC, then there should be a detailed plan for its continuance going forward, and I would like to know what that entails as well.

1:12 pm
March 23, 2010


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OMG, that is pure unadulterated guano by "Venice Linda"  and her joined at the hip cohort Carolyn Rios. To say that the soon to be initiated Police Homeless task force is the brainchild of the VNC, let alone "Venice Linda" Lucks and Carolyn Rios, leaves one gasping for air from the sheer hilarity of their creative propaganda and that's being nice.  These two want to take credit for the the literally many years of efforts by ignored, branded, or purposefully shunned majority Venice residents by Lucks and Rios and their Beachhead crew, leaves me breathless. Lucks and Rios and their crew have orchestrated and steadfastly lobbied against police efforts to bring positive quality of life efforts to our town over and over again.  And then to take credit for all the decades in the making positive work by various Venice organizations, e-mail lists, neighborhood watch groups, and homeowner groups  is ludacris at best. 

As a 17+ year member of our local Police Advisory Board (CPAB) I can personally tell you I Linda Lucks has been to one meeting a couple of years ago and Carolyn Rios has never attended. In fact a representative from the VNC has only been to 4 meetings from the past six years. Even when they showed up for the Board, they walked out before the meeting was finished most of the time. This is in stark contrast to when the VNC was first formed. Back then there was at least one  representaive at each meeting and the neighborhood council worked hand and glove with the police for a safe and positive Venice community. So one has to ask, if these folks are sooooo police positive, why do they never show up at the meetings, participate, and work for a positive safer community for all including family needs?

1:15 pm
March 23, 2010


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And I forgot to add cudo's to Bret as well for providing a place where the truth can be told.

Thanks Bret!

1:26 pm
March 23, 2010


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Dear YoVenice Readers,

Let’s set the record straight right now.  Carolyn Rios DID propose the VNC Homeless/ Vehicle Dweller Ad Hoc Committee almost two years ago. Unfortunately it was facilitated and dominated by local nonprofit social service providers and homeless advocates and was going nowhere beyond identifying other municipalities that were experimenting with programs (but no research beyond that) and asking for more money and more programs while allowing the present situation to escalate to the recent proportions.

Being the publisher of The Venice WatchDawg, I was asked by friends and neighbors to attend because the meetings were going nowhere.  I was both appalled and amused at what I found there – irate residents, excuse bearing social service enablers and no point of combined thought.  I published an editorial and sent it around town and within a week, the original committee and its incomplete report was closed down and a new group was established, facilitated by residents.  To that, the non-profits and advocates refused to participate, so it became a resident’s forum that worked much better because there was little animosity generated because the lame excuses and cries for lack of funds did not follow every concern and complaint.  Not to say that this was a “throw the bums out” committee.  These are Venetians, they are smart, liberal and understanding, just tired of being shit and pissed on and scared for their family's safety.  It was facilitated by WRITE-IN Vice Presidential candidate Mark Ryavec. 

When it was presented to the VNC, it was derided because there was NO NONPROFIT SOCIAL SERVICE INPUT – well, of course not, they refused to participate because they had lost control.

What is happening today with the increased police activity goes back to the email and letter writing campaign that generated over 400 letters to the mayor, the CD11 Council Office and City Attorney Carmen Trutanich, who, along with the Pacific Division LAPD Community Police Advisory Board (CPAB) and a number of resident organized meetings with our new Pacific Captain Jon Peters to get things underway.  That is why the Council Office recently FINALLY put a group together to visit Santa Barbara and revue their program.

I will include the report on the trip to Santa Barbara at the end of this email.

To give proper credit to the new attitude in local police protection, thank the local neighborhood watches and organized citizens groups, the CPAB, the online publications and blogs, the reformed Ad Hoc Homeless/Vehicle Dweller committee, the winning all day long OPD election at the Venice Library, but mostly, you citizens who sent the email, letters and phone calls to the government officials to get them to understand that there were people in official positions, who were not representing the wishes of the majority of Venice residents.  They completely diminished the value of both the OPD election win and the second committee report. It did not fit their agenda……

Keep on readin’…  Keep on writin’

The truth will set you free……

Rick Feibusch
Venice WatchDawg
Sign up today:
venicewatchdawg@gmail.com

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Bret, you might want to set up a special section for readers to comment on the report below – Thanks…

Report on February 25, 2010, trip to Santa Barbara to investigate
New Beginnings RV Parking Program
By David Ewing and Stewart Oscars

Venice participants:  Councilmember Bill Rosendahl; CD11 staff: Jim Horwitz, Mike Bonin, Arturo Pina, Nancy Franco; LAPD Officers Theresa Skinner and Peggy Thusing; Venice residents David Ewing and Stewart Oscars.

We’ll write chronologically about what we heard and saw.  We realize as we are writing this it is the result of a free flowing conversation, so please bear with that. NEW BEGINNINGS COUNSELING CENTER

We started at New Beginnings (NB), the program administrator, located at 324 E. Carillo, SB.  New Beginnings is a social services provider organized around a counseling center. We spoke with Gary Linker, Director of NB.  (Nancy Kapp is the Parking Program Director, and she is the last person we interviewed).

Gary presented us each a packet of information describing their program.  The packet included: a description of New Beginnings work in the community; the RV Parking Program in detail including 14 rules for lot users, a program application form, a vehicle permit, a list of the 21 lots in use with population breakdown, client waiver relieving NB of liability, a license agreement form for lot owners, and an outreach flyer.

Highlights of our conversation with Gary:

∑ There are 21 lots in use with 105 vehicles using them.  The lot sizes are:  3 have 1, 1 has 2, 1 has 3, 10 have 5, 2 have 6, 1 has 9, 1 has 11, 1 has 15, and 1 is for summer use only.  The hours of the lots are approximately 7pm-7am.  
∑ The latest count of live-in vehicles in the area puts the number at 354.  Summers tend to be higher, winters lower.
∑ Lots used are city, county, churches, nonprofits, and businesses.
∑ Some lots are 10 to 12 miles outside the city.  Dwellers tend to stay near their respective lots.
∑ There are several lots in the downtown area.
∑ There is one lot near the beach, and that lot parks women and families.
∑ Some of the lots have porta toilets, some have no facilities.
∑ Two lots are for RVs only. The others allow a mix of vehicles. There’s a 21 ft length limit in City lots.
∑ Some lots are for women and children only, some for women only, or women and families.
∑ When an applicant applies, NB uses this opportunity to evaluate the person(s) for counseling, aid.  Programs are offered but not required.  Good behavior is the only required action of the dwellers.  Case managers come to the lots twice a week to check compliance, build relationships with clients, and offer services. There are 2 counselors on staff working with the population.  Clients are referred to NB and other agencies for social services.
∑ Every month the client must renew her/his permit, and the permit can be renewed perpetually.  Permit requirements are a valid CA driver’s license, CA vehicle registration, and insurance.  People being placed on a business lot are checked for felony convictions.
∑ The goal is to relocate all people to permanent housing.
∑ On a yearly basis 25 vehicle dwellers are being placed in permanent housing and another 30 are being placed in jobs.
∑ A breakdown of the program’s components usage is:
1)  placement on lot…….100%.
2)  use of case management by dwellers……..90%.
3)  loans from NB……..20%.   These are loans to repair the vehicles, license the vehicle, obtain a driver’s license, smog the vehicle, secure insurance.
4)  life skills training……..5%.
5)  counseling……..10-15%.

∑ The program is built on trust.  NB does not coerce clients.  They make sure there are continuing contacts which are used to build trust.  There is an understanding that people have alcohol, addiction, and mental health problems.  People may not be interested in services offered in the beginning, but the relationship can lead to referrals in the future.
∑ At each lot, one of the lot dwellers is chosen by Nancy Kapp, the case manager, to be a lot captain, with attendant responsibilities.  A bit of character building.
∑ NB does an orientation every 6 months with SBPD for educational purposes.
∑ NB is responsible for insuring the lots at a total cost of $4200/year +/-.  The insurance covers not only the lots but the program clientele with liability insurance.
∑ The estimate of employed residents is 50%, most of whom have dropped down in terms of previous employment.
∑ If a dweller breaks the rules, the person is dropped from the program after one warning.
∑ It is reported that citizen complaints are virtually nil regarding this program.  When the program was first started complaints based on the newness of the program and lack of trust led to some complaints. The larger number of campers on some lots has not created more problems.
∑ Non-program complaints regarding nuisance Rv type vehicles have remained constant over the years.  Vehicle dwellers who are resistant to the program have been known to create problems with trash, running generators, and a myriad of disruptions as they move around Santa Barbara.
∑ City and county ordinances had to be adjusted to make this work.
∑ A private waste hauler (Marborg) works with the program to empty the vehicle holding tanks at no charge.  This dumping may is at a central site in the city.  Gary feels this is an important facet of the program.
∑ The lots cannot be within 50 feet of residences, and residents appear to have little power in siting decisions. 

CITY HALL
Next, we walked to City Hall and met with Mayor Helene Schneider; Council Members Grant House and Das Williams; City Attorney Steve Wiley; SBPD Lt. Donald McCaffrey.
∑ All spoke in favor of the program and consider it a success.
∑ Councilmember Williams was himself a vehicle dweller at one time.
∑ The genesis of the program:  SB had a growing population of campers on the streets with some of the same problems as evidenced in Venice.  The city’s initial response was to try to ban campers entirely; homeless advocates responded with a suit.  A settlement negotiation resulted in the parking program creation along with increasing the city’s ability to regulate on street camper parking.
∑ The program is low cost to the city:  $125,000/year.  Sources of funding:  SB funds roughly half with $43,000 coming from general funds and $15,000 coming from Community Development Block Grants (Federal funds).  The balance is privately funded with $15,000 from donations and $52,000 from foundations.
∑ The program is not perfect and does not solve all problems, but it helps SB have more control over the RV population and regulate parking; and it provides real services and opportunities for those who want them.
∑ The streets in the waterfront area downtown (between the 101 freeway and the beach) are strictly no RV parking.
∑ Since SB has a supply of parking spots for RVs/live-in vehicles, they can enforce parking restrictions that regulate times and places when vehicles can park on city streets.  This allows vehicle dwellers security and residents security. Enforcement of laws is necessary.
∑ Program lots are self-policed by the lot captain, then the program director, and police as necessary. Clients develop a stake in keeping things in order.
∑ An ordinance against vehicle dwelling is enforced only upon complaint.  Where greater enforcement is needed, SB has an ordinance that allows the Public Works Director on advice of the Chief of Police to post signs that ban or restrict RV parking in proximity to various specific use areas.
∑ Decentralization and not allowing massing of RVs in areas reduces problems in the city.
∑ It is illegal to live in one’s vehicle on the city streets in SB.  It is possible to have lots and still have this protection for the residents.  The key is ordinance writing.  The SB CA, Steve Wiley, is willing to work with our CA regarding ordinance drafting.
∑ Wiley also said there is very little liability exposure for the city.
∑ RVs need to be self-contained:  the holding tank must work properly.
∑ RVs are not considered transitional housing.  They are not adequate housing.
∑ 5 or more parking tickets issued to a vehicle on 5 separate days allow impoundment of said vehicle (a state law).

PARKING LOTS
Thirdly, we toured a few parking lots.  We also picked up SBPD Lt. James Pfleging at this point.
∑ The size/scale of the lots in SB seemed larger than the lots available in West Los Angeles and in particular Venice.
∑ Lots that park 5 RVs in SB are probably equal in size to Whole Foods lot, for the most part.
∑ The lots have bush/tree growth or walls that screen the parking spots from resident/street view, and the actual parking spots are not near housing. 
∑ Some lots had porta toilets and some had no facilities.  Where there are no porta toilets, parkers are told to use restaurants, gas stations, or what have you.
PROGRAM DIRECTOR
Lastly, we visited Nancy Kapp, NB Parking Program Director, at Salvation Army where she has her office. This building is located in a commercial area downtown. We were also joined at the very end by NB outreach worker Roslyn Scheuerman .
∑ Nancy was previously homeless.
∑ She runs the program on the ground. She finds sites for the lots. She enforces the rules and deals with any disputes between participants.
∑ She reiterated what we had heard during the day.
∑ The population of lot users is diverse.  25% come from outside SB; 75% have ties to SB.  They can be new or chronic vehicle dwellers.  They function at many different levels.
∑ It’s all about trust. They make sure there are continuing contacts, and they use them to build trust. They don’t coerce clients. They develop relationships, provide services and keep rules.
∑ Tents, lawn chairs, and so forth are prohibited outside the vehicle.
∑ If people are not getting along at a lot, they are moved to a different lot.
∑ She will not choose a site if the neighbors are not in favor of the operation.  A lot will only work out if the nearby residents are in accord with it.  If a neighbor does not want the lot, Nancy said she will find somewhere that it will work.
∑ There is an understanding that some people have alcohol, addiction and mental health problems. They may not interested be interested in services, but some of them eventually surprise you. If you build a relationship, sometimes 6 months later, they’ll ask for a referral for a program or service.
∑ She spoke with great conviction and compassion for the people involved in the program and the fact that it can be a long-term process to get people into permanent housing.

1:45 pm
March 23, 2010


Bret

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OK, there is a stand alone thread for the Santa Barbara trip. Please don't comment on it in this thread so it stays in one place.

Thanks

9:06 am
April 1, 2010


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Yesterday I read here on YoVenice that a house was burglarized on Ocean ave, also yesterday my wife told me that there was a new clan of Transients living in the parking lot very close to there (you can make your own assumptions) (farmers market lot) So this morning I got up to take some photos of the new transient clan and when I arrived the police were there questioning the group.  Its great to see that the police are doing what we asked of them. THANK YOU PACIFIC DIVISION!

9:19 am
April 1, 2010


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I saw them either questioning or ticketing a group of tranisents near the intersection of S. Venice and Venice Way last night too.  Great to see the police presence, I hope it keeps up!

10:03 am
April 1, 2010


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Hi, If I serve on VNC a new committee, and most important one, I will attempt to organize will be one that is focused on

police/community relations and it will be required of the committee to have a VNC rep at all police meetings for positve relations

between VNC and the police. That may not happen if the old guard is releected for prez and veep as cordial relations with the police

may be frowned upon by their Beachhead Collective supporters who have historically been anti police. Thanks, Jim Hubbard

10:23 am
April 1, 2010


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I ride my bike down OFW at night and it's a war zone down there.  This area needs MUCH MORE "after hours" police presence.  I agree they are doing a good job right now, but it's the job we pay them to do.  Like StarGazer said, I hope it keeps up.

10:35 am
April 1, 2010


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Jim H, I agree that we need to have an open dialogue with the police – this is important – but they also need to know that we expect them to do their job and ENFORCE THE LAW!  I drive down Venice Blvd evey night after work and see teams of RV's and Transients as I enter OUR neighborhood – still to this day.  OFW is a war zone at night.  Why are there not TEAMS of police taking care of biz down there?  I'm all for thanking PAC DIV for doing a good job but there is MAJOR WORK TO BE DONE in 2010 and years to come. 

10:57 am
April 1, 2010


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jim h said:

Hi, If I serve on VNC a new committee, and most important one, I will attempt to organize will be one that is focused on

police/community relations and it will be required of the committee to have a VNC rep at all police meetings for positve relations

between VNC and the police. That may not happen if the old guard is releected for prez and veep as cordial relations with the police

may be frowned upon by their Beachhead Collective supporters who have historically been anti police. Thanks, Jim Hubbard


A good committee, no doubt, but I believe almost every committee of the present NC that involves any kind of law enforcement has had police contact and involvement. But I am confused, where has anyone said the 'old guard' – if that is what they are (another unfortunate mischaracterization) are opposed to police involvement in Venice Council affairs? Where can you state that Linda Lucks and Carolyn Rios are 'ant-police'. I believe they are even on first name basis with most of them. If what you state is true, I would have to rethink this election. 

Mr Hubbard, being new to this and not having been especially involved in the wider Venice governance, you really should be more careful with your characterizations and statements. People are reading this blog to get insights into the coming elections. Your flippant answers do not help me or anyone to make an informative vote. Thanks.



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