Really, mentor? So, you're saying that if someone creates a situation where something dangerous might happen they have no responsibility to correct that?
I can only speak for myself but I'm not trying "vilify" or "defame" the Garter- I witnessed a dangerous lack of responsible action while there, which I reported, and I will not return. Telling the truth is not defamation. Period. Who's to blame for the initial altercation? The perpetrators, obviously- but the venue NEEDS to be concerned about what goes down there. Bobby was right in pointing out that Venice is not Beverly Hills and if you are a responsible club owner/manager you take care to see that your patrons are safe.
What do you do for a living, mentor? I've worked in the club biz for a decade and a half- I know what I'm talking about. Places with proactive security policies have less incidents than places run like the Garter. In my earlier days I worked the door before my set- I've taken clubs, knives, and lead topped leather sticks from people trying to get in and seen a small pistol get found during a pat down. If there was any sense that a patron was starting a problem, they were 86'd- no questions asked, no discussion.
Years ago, I lived on a nice street in a bad part of Miami that had one house where the people were up to no good. One day during one of their parties someone was shot. Who was responsible? The shooter, obviously. Who brought the shooter to the place where the shooting took place? The neighbors.
Nobody's trying to start a lynch mob, mentor- I do hope that the Garter wakes up and becomes responsible, that's all.
September 2, 2010
February 17, 2010
July 14, 2009
Venice Resident said:
This thread has become tiresome….Forget about security… start with responsible drinking and good parenting everything starts there.
lets move on from this thread and share this site with some friends in order to get new people involved in our community.
Hear, hear, I couldn't agree with more.
well i am a doorman still sometimes when my friends need help and believe me from venice to new york city there are always problems with bars. bars serve ALCOHOL! it makes people fucking crazy. believe it. i have seen the worst and in the best establishments you could imagine. the garter is not the problem it is society. don't you think that there would be a alarming rate of fights NOT happening if a cop car was parked in front of every late night club. security are not police they do the best they can…as for the case mentioned above all i can say is that you probably just standing in the front not to the side of the entrance so instead of being a gentleman he called your girl a bitch. they were more than likely already in the bar and were returning. nobody like to wait in line but the doorman control the line and can wave anyone they want in. sorry if that was the case with you and your girl. last time that happened to me very similar situation i knocked the fool out that bad mouthed my girl and the doorman said he deserved it he was acting like a jackass. society accepts jackasses. cops don't want to clean up your bar hire off duty cop to be the doorman in uniform problems will be very small but the amount of arrest will go up hahahaha damn alcohol is a hell of a drug lol. be careful society is getting tougher and more desperate protect yourselves. last night i help the two doorman at the townhouse diffuse a situation with two austrailians that they kicked out for being wasted. they just kept talking *#!%$! i walked up and said this is venice we all in this together maybe you guys should call it a night? they listened. i didnt have to mouth off. funny thing is right after that happened this guy that pulled a gun on me one night was walking by didnt see me……………..BOOOOM! he got his lip split open lol. the door staff knew what happened and they didnt care that a rapist that pulls guns on people got punched out. some things are excepted like acting out if your justified in your actions. just another night in venice. i love this place
June 17, 2009
February 12, 2010
June 17, 2009
September 21, 2010